Batali and Bourdain Argue Over Adam Platt, the Egg Thief, and Much More

Tony and Mario vent away in the back room at Borders.Photo: Melissa Hom


Marco Pierre White showed up at Borders last night for a book signing with two friends in tow: Mario Batali and Tony Bourdain. We sat down with the latter two for a few minutes before the event and picked their brains. In true style, Mario sent one of the stores managers out for a bottle of vodka and some tonic at the start, but as the harried fellow didnt arrive until the end, this discussion was conducted in cold sobriety.

On Adam Platt

Batali: Platts a miserable fuck. He cant help himself. He doesnt know what to do in life. Hes not about awarding stars, hes about taking stars away. You know?! [Laughs.] Dont get me wrong. I love his writing, I think hes funny. I like to hang out with his brother [actor Oliver Platt]. But his understanding of the star system is misguided. Whats wrong with having a bunch of three- and four-star restaurants?

Bourdain: I enjoyed his Kobe Club review. I dont know what youre complaining about.

Batali: He took a star off Del Posto because it didnt look like Babbo.

Bourdain: No, it was because you were going around shooting your mouth off, saying you were going to get four stars.

On the Big Box restaurants and the Next Big Thing.

Bourdain: The worst [trend] is probably the Big Box restaurants.

Batali: What is that? I dont go to the Short Hills Mall. Is that here in Manhattan? I just keep hoping for the flavors of northern Africa to come here of course, a restaurant like that, there are about 50 of us that would support it. Its not recognizable. Theres no vernacular for the people from the Short Hills Mall, and theres no reason for them to go, so they cant figure out why they should.

Bourdain: What we need is a Singaporean hawker center, with one chef selling one dish, with stalls as far as the eye can see selling cheap chicken and rice, char kway teow [stir-fried rice noodles with shrimp and lard] , and those things like they have in Singapore. Theyre good, cheap, mom-and-pop it would be a whole new playing field.

On the Egg Theft

Bourdain: Astro Boy [Marcel Vigneron] is going to get caught when its that kind of stuff. Ripping off Muddy Waters is one thing, or Robert Johnson. But ripping off Jimi Hendrix one week later you know, when nobody else is playing it! But thats not Astro Boys worst crime. Its that hes still standing in the foam station and the train has already left. Five years ago.

Batali: Hey, we watched Ilan win by taking the Casa Mono tasting menu and presenting it as his own

Bourdain: At least he knew who to steal from and wasnt presenting himself as the future of science. He was falling back on proven successes!

On the Blogosphere.

Batali: Its amazing, these fucking Websites, these blogs. [Otto co-owner] Jason Denton hasnt even thought about this pizza restaurant that isnt even a pizza restaurant across the street from Otto, and hes getting quoted. I call him and say, Lips. What are you doing? and hes like I want to tell you, Im never planning on opening a pizza restaurant I dont know what happened on the blog this morning. Whatever the blog heard is now fact.

Bourdain: I think its great. Theyve beaten down the wall, and everybodys invited to write whatever shit they want about you. Its democratic.

Batali: Im not so much about these blogs by anonymous people saying nasty things about you. I think its getting pretty stupid. If theres something interesting, and theres somebody editing it and taking care of it, Im down with it. But some of those people are just bit with vituperative anger and just want to rail on you.

Bourdain: Its inevitable, its the tide, there s no fighting it. Theres a bunch of these guys that are like Comic Book Guy on The Simpsons, whipping out their fucking little cameras, and five minutes after one of them says its the greatest, the next will say thats so last week. Thats inevitable. I go to all those sites and enjoy them, especially when theyre about people I dont like.

Batali: Well, I dont like them.